Hybrid Tea Rose by Mrs. Herbert Stevens (4 May 2008) via Wikimedia Commons Open Rose Y-DNA Surname Project
 
Hybrid Tea Rose by Mrs. Herbert Stevens (4 May 2008) via Wikimedia Commons
 
Lineages, Results, and Analysis of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b ROSEs Unassigned to a Group
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These individuals have no match with anyone in a Group at the Rose DNA Project, at least not as of 11 Aug 2010.
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ROSE-GRONAUER
Surname Kit # Ysearch
UserID
Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
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Y
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Y
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7
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S1
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R1b Modals 55% XQJ7H 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 per Mike Walsh (as of 4 Jan 2011)
R1b Modals 45% 8EHXE 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12                                                             Modal values per Robert Hughes for "Genetic Distances" (n=?).
               
ROSE 4474   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 16 17                                                                                     Pvt… Bazil1 ROSE — of Callaway Co., MO
GRONAUER   6M9WY 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 16 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 19 17 37 37 11 12                                                             Pvt... GRONAUER — of Germany 
               
#4474 is a descendant of Bazil ROSE, alleged by some to be a son John ROSE of the Group L ROSEs and formerly placed with the Group L ROSEs. With a genetic distance from the modal haplotype of Group L of 4 at 25 markers and 12 at 37 markers, there is no possibility this subject is descended from a Group L ROSE.  We then have to ask whether the paper connection was bad in the first place, or whether the paper is correct, but this test subject has an NPE in his line.  Or did Bazil have one in his?  We can answer these questions by testing cousins of #4474.  He does, however, have a 25/25 match with a GRONAUER.  #4474 needs to upgrade to 37 markers to find out if this match holds up or drifts away, though being 25/25, it will probably hold up.  If so, one or the other has an NPE in his patrilineal line and the GRONAUER also needs to test some cousins.
Data Sources:
"Rose Family DNA Project Results — to November 10, 2008." Rose Family Bulletin (Dec 2008: 5305).
"Rose Family DNA Project Results — to April 8, 2009." Rose Family Bulletin (Jun 2009: 5364).
Ysearch.; the ROSE Family DNA Project.
   

ROSE of Yorkshire — R-1b1a-2a1a-1b = R-P312
Surname Kit # Ysearch
UserID
Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
3
9
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5
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9
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4
6
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4
6
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4
6
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4
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4
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H4
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G
A
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A
IIa
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Y
C
A
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Y
C
A
4
5
6
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D
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Y
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8
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3
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S1
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R1b Modals 55% XQJ7H 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 per Mike Walsh (as of 4 Jan 2011)
R1b Modals 45% 8EHXE 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12                                                             Modal values per Robert Hughes for "Genetic Distances" (n=?).
               
ROSE N86315 23D7G 13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 22 14 18 29 15 15 17 17 11 10 19 23 16 15 17 17 37 40 12 12                                                             Pvt5, Pvt4, William Pryce3, William2, John1 (c1818-1875) — of Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
               
Despite a near match to the R1b modal haplotype at 12 markers, his nearest matches at 25 markers are just a handful at 21/25, none of which are with anyone surnamed ROSE.  His 37-marker haplotype is unique, with no matches at Ysearch, even when allowing for a genetic distance of 6. 
Deep SNP testing shows our subject to be R-1b1b-2a1b (P312+).
Data Sources:  Email from test subject; Ysearch.
   

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.


 
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