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Lineages, Results, and Analysis of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b ROSEs of Group L1
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UPDATE (22 Mar 2017):  This page was created back around 2009.  A lot has changed since then, including my becoming the Administrator of the ROSE DNA project about a month ago.  Because I will be re-evaluating all the groups in the project, not just "my" Group L ROSEs, I'll obviously be able to remedy the problems discussed here.  However, the ROSE project is huge, and it's going to take awhile to do so.  In the interim, I'm reluctant to just delete this page in case anything on it may still prove useful.  So, I'll leave it online, for now, with the understanding that my goal will be to make its existence unnecessary. 
The ROSEs below have been assigned together by the Rose Family Association DNA Project as being members of "Group L1."  Except for three ROSEs descended from Alexander ROSE of Invergordon, Scotland, I do not find these individuals related.  Nor do I find any reason to ally them with the Group L ROSEs, beyond the fact that these are all Haplogroup R1b ROSEs.  In my opinion, the Invergordon ROSEs should be given their own group letter, independent of Group L, and the other four should be put back in the "Unassigned" category, as none has a match with anyone else.
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Red labels indicate markers that typically mutate more frequently than those labeled in black. Marker 464 mutates most rapidly of all.
(Empty cells that are darkened indicate those tests have not been ordered.)
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
GD = Genetic Distance, the number of mutation events separating two haplotypes.  In this case, it's the GD from the test subject to the modal haplotype of the Invergordon ROSEs.
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Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Lineage
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R1b Modals 55% XQJ7H 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 Mper Mike Walsh (as of 4 Jan 2011)
R1b Modals 45% 8EHXE 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 38 12 12                                                             Modal values per Robert Hughes for "Genetic Distances" (n=?).
                   
L1a Invergordon ROSE Modals   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17                                                                                     n=3 at 25 markers
0 0     ROSE 70320   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17                                                                                     Pvt… James5, Alexander4, Alexander3, John2, Alexander1 ROSE — of Invergordon, SCT
    ROSE 2863 H8N3H 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17                                                                                     Pvt…  David3, John2, Alexander1 ROSE — of Invergordon, SCT
1 1     ROSE 97436   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17                                                                                     Pvt… D.K.5, John David4, David3, John2, Alexander1 ROSE — of Invergordon, SCT
                   
L1b 1 3     ROSE 11923   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 15 17                                                                                     Pvt… William1 ROSE — of Frostburg, Washington Co., MD, and Fayette Co., PA
                   
L1c 2 4     ROSE 64599 68PSS 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9  9 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 18 10 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 36 37 12 12                                                             Pvt... Robert A.3, Charles E.2, William A.1 ROSE — of NJ and Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT 
                   
L1d 2 5     ROSE 78910 TRC8U 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18                                                                                     Pvt... Donald3, James W.2, Donald1 ROSE — of Perthshire, SCT
                   
L1e 2 7     ROSE 3337 3EKUC 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 33 15 15 15 17 10 11 19 23 17 15 17 19 37 38 12 12                                                             Pvt... Isaac1 ROSE — of Franklin [now Cumberland] Co., PA, ultimately to Nicholas Co., (W)VA
                   
L 1 5     Group L Modals 5Z7SF 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 16 19 29 15 15 16 17 10 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 35 36 12 13                                                             n=10 at 25 markers; n=5 at 37 markers
                   
The three Invergordon ROSEs (Subgroup L1a) are clearly related, as we would expect from having a near common ancestor (see lineages to the far right).  I do not see them as necessarily closely related to any of the other four Group L1 ROSEs, with the possible exception of L1b.  Twenty-five markers simply aren't enough to tell.  However, even at 25 markers, they do not appear related to L1c thru L1e or L.  Please see "What Constitutes a Match" at the bottom of this page for an appreciation of the various levels of matching.
The alleged connection of the Group L ROSEs to the Invergordan and Perthshire ROSEs is also not supported.  I discuss these relationships in more detail on the this page.  The suggestion that the Group L and L1 ROSEs "share a common ancestor" can be said about everyone in Haplogroup R1b or, for that matter, everyone on the planet.  I don't see any particular reason to assert that L and L1 are any more closely related than any other R1b groups, especially when testing only 25 markers — a lot can happen in that third panel (Markers 26-37) because it is the most variable of the all panels. 
I would strongly urge everyone on this page who has not upgraded to at least 37 markers to do so and to please share those results.
 
With regard to #78910, desc/o Donald ROSE (b. 1840, Perthshire; m. Ann WOOD)…  Can anyone confirm that his son, James W., is the James ROSE (æ 34, b. SCT; im. 1906) with wife Lucy (æ 30, b. ENG; im. 1908) and son, Donald J. (æ 1y6m, b. NJ) in the 1910 census of Nutley, Essex Co., NJ?

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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