Hybrid Tea Rose by Mrs. Herbert Stevens (4 May 2008) via Wikimedia Commons Open Rose Y-DNA Surname Project
 
Hybrid Tea Rose by Mrs. Herbert Stevens (4 May 2008) via Wikimedia Commons
 
Lineages, Results, and Analysis of Y-DNA Haplogroup I2a ROSEs from Group E
in the ROSE DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA
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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
E G I1 I2 J L Q R1a R1b T
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Genetic Distance
(cumulative)
Surname Kit # Ysearch
UserID
Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
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9
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9
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6
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8
8
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9
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3
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9
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9
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3
8
9
4
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9
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4
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9
4
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5
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7
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7
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8
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4
6
4
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4
6
4
c
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4
6
4
d
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4
6
4
4
6
0
H4
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G
A
T
A
IIa
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Y
C
A
IIb
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Y
C
A
4
5
6
6
0
7
5
7
6
5
7
0
a
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C
D
Y
b
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C
D
Y
4
4
2
4
3
8
5
3
1
5
7
8
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S1
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9
5
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S1
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9
5
5
9
0
5
3
7
6
4
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7
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S1
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0
6
5
1
1
4
2
5
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4
1
3
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4
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3
5
5
7
5
9
4
4
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6
4
9
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5
3
4
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4
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4
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8
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5
2
0
4
4
6
6
1
7
5
6
8
4
8
7
5
7
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6
4
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9
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5
6
5
I2a-P37.2-Western Modal Values 13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 12 14 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 26 14 18 29 11 14 14 15 10 10 21 21 14 10         12 10 11 8 16 17 8 11 10 8 12 10 12 21 21 17 10 12 12 16 8 14 27 20 11 14 12 13 10 11 12 11 Modals per Nordtvedt
                 
Family Modal Values B2EU9 13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 14 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 26 14 18 29 11 14 15 15                                                                                     n=5 for 12 markers; n=4 for 25 markers
0 0     ROSE 5340   13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 14 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 26 14 18 29 11 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt… Christopher (1858- )2, Jonathan (c1820- )1 of NY and Luzerne Co., PA
0 0     ROSE 10478 YM6ER 13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 14 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 26 14 18 29 11 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . William W. (1818- )3, William II (1792- )2,
William I (1764- )1 of NY
1 1     ROSE 9245   13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 15 11 31 18 8 9 11 11 26 14 18 29 11 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt. . . . . . . . . . . . . .  Charles (1873- )4, John W. (1832- )3,
1       ROSE 62881   13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 15 11 31                                                                                                               Pvt. . . John W. (1890- )5, William (1865- )4, John (1831- )3, John (1808- )2,
0 3     ROSE 41088   13 23 15 10 12 15 11 15 11 14 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 27 14 18 30 11 14 14 15                                                                                     Pvt… Vincent F. (1845- )2, Berry T. (c1821- )1 of OH 
                 
Jim Cullen's World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor gives this probability for his subclade:  I-P37.2*-West =>100%.  These subclades are based on the research of Ken Nordtvedt on Haplogroup I (see this table).
Despite this family's modal haplotype being close to the I1a-P37.2-Western modal haplotype, their particular haplotype apparently remains uncommon.  At Ysearch, the only 25/25 match with the modal haplotype for the family was with YM6ER.  At SMGF, their haplotypes had no close matches in surname ROSE, at all.
It's entirely possible that #41088 is not a member of this group.  You just can't tell at 25 markers.  I recommend that everyone is this group upgrade to 37 markers, preferably 67, so we have a better basis for assessing the relationships here.
Any change in DYS389i is reflected in 389ii, so the change from 14/30 to 15/31 at DYS389i/ii is treated as a single mutation event and counts as a genetic distance of only one, not two.
We have an anomaly here in that we have three individuals (names highlighted in orange) claiming a descent from William ROSE I (1764- ) [please scroll to the right to see their lineages], but only two of them share the mutation at DYS389i.  Logically, for both #9245 and #62881 to have the mutation at DYS389i, William I must have possessed the mutation, however that would mean, again logically, #10478 should have the mutation, too, and he doesn't.  The most obvious solution is that one of them has an error in his paper genealogy, but there is also the (remote) possibility that the mutation occurred twice. 

It is ultimately important that everyone who has a mutation away from the family's modal haplotype test cousins until the location of their mutation is determined, and it is very important in this case to resolve the anomaly.

Data Sources:
"Rose Family DNA Project Results — to November 10, 2008." Rose Family Bulletin (Dec 2008: 5304).
Ysearch.; SMGF; ROSE Family DNA Project; ROSE-DNA Mailing List; email.
   

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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